October 14, 2004
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I learned an interesting thing today. For the most part, all Christian thought predating the present has asserted that animals have souls. It surprised me, to be honest. Somehow I had assumed that it was a ludicrous idea. But as soon as Aquinas’ name was dropped, well, I was sold.
I can remember going for a weekend seminar once. It was all lectures by a man named Peter Bocchino. One night, and I can’t remember how the topic came up, there was a discussion about the soul, and whether an animal has one. The question seemed crazy to me at the time, but over the course of the discussion it seemed that Peter was in quite the indefensible position. He was trying to argue that animals, such as dogs, did not have emotions, or a will, or even appetites (strictly speaking). He wanted us to believe that a dog is governed strictly by instinct. He claimed that anything we might see as the above, was simply different instincts trying to win in the battle for what the dog will actually do. Though no one would say that instinct is not a primary facet of the decisions of a dog, Bocchino’s trouble was in asserting that these other things simply were not present.
Emotions, and emotional attachment are something that we see clearly in pets. Sometimes contrary to self-preservation, the emotions of a pet can cause it to do all sorts of things. Say, a dog who risks his own safety to save a master. One must jump through very shaky hoops to justify these things by instinct alone.
Or take appetites into consideration. Dogs are renown for humping. One might say: this is the instinct to reproduce. But the other day, when my little sister’s dog started humping our cat, there was not even potential for reproduction.
The will follows from these things. I’m certainly not one to claim an understanding of how a will actually functions, but certain things, I believe may be said of it. Once one has instinct, emotion, and appetite all fighting for control of the action of a thing, it seems that this is what we call a will. A decision made to act in one manor over another.
This all comes back to my first point, that animals do, in fact, have souls. The question can‘t help but be asked: what is the difference between humans, and animals? If animals have souls, then why are we not concerned with telling them the gospel? The answer, I believe, is that we have the ability to reason. It is the specific difference between animals and man.
Why reason? The question is begged. I believe I first read this in Kant, and later in Lewis. You see, it seems that man would be all around happier if we could not reason, or at very least, if we could only reason enough to realise how happy our instincts made us. But reason as the foremost part of our soul does more to hinder happiness then to help it. We can often identify a thing that would make us happy, and yet, we refrain from it. We do this because of reason; we judge the action, deem it immoral, and then we don’t do it. Our happiness is hindered. This can lead us to only one conclusion, then. That reason is important because it gives us the capacity to make moral decisions.
So, animals have souls, but we are still set apart from them due to our ability to reason. This ability to reason is important because it allows us to make moral choices.
I suppose this is really what it means to be made in the image of God.
Comments (16)
this really isn't a topic i have thought about.. i mean.. i guess movie "all dogs go to heaven" kinda made me think back when i was 8..
but if animals do have souls.. what happens when they die?
I have been thinking about this a lot lately since my dog died. I actually had quite the discussion with my dad when I was back home, and he brought up the point that animals are mentioned in the Bible as being in heaven.. and since all creation, except for fallen man, serves to praise God, why wouldn't animals go to heaven (aka communion and fellowship with the Almighty, a realm of complete goodness)? Would God make something to just exist and then.. not? What purpose would that ever serve?
Nice post, Aron. Makes me think.
good call
ha, i'll still stick with they don't have souls. First Pete only said that animal were incapable of conceptual thought (or maybe even reason as you put it, in which case you might agree).
and just a question, does the ablity to feel, have emo's, appetite or even will really mean that someone has a soul...? i mean are you claiming that those things make up what a soul is? are the mear actions...? i mean if they were then would we lose or souls when we sleep? Or would someone metally hadicaped and not able to do all those things not have a soul?
just my two sense.
animals with souls honestly.
and Miss... do rocks go to heaven... because even the rocks and stones praise him.
ugh. to be honest, i find this whole discussion rather silly... and pointless if you do not define "soul"... so far it just seems to be a part of yourself that lives on after you die.... and i certainly don't see the connections here. call me stupid, but how does one make the jump from proving they have appetites and emotions to saying that gives them souls?.... perhaps reason sets us apart from animals, but if you want to talk about the "self" and self-awareness, etc... individuality is possible based on biology alone, and an animating force or life given to these animals apart from being biological machines does not necessitate a soul.b
Ok, well, I may have presupposed a definition of the soul. But would it help if I told you it was Aquinas’ revision of Plato’s view of the soul? He asserts that the soul is made of the appetites, the emotions (the spirit in Plato), the will (not in plato), and reason. I guess that doesn’t really answer the objections so much as appeal to authority. Heh, maybe I’ll give it a real effort in a post soon.
so the soul here that you are talking about has nothing to do with anything spiritual...?
Tim, rocks are't living beings. I don't have any argument to prove there is a difference between rocks and animals, but to me, it just seems different. A rock wasn't a living, breathing creature capable of death.
But yes, rocks will be in heaven. This might be a whole other discussion all together, but I believe this physical earth will be part of heaven. God said He will make all things new, not all new things. This is the earth He deemed good. This is our paradise. I believe He will restore it rather than destroy it. So the rocks that are here will indeed be a part of that, whereas a dead animal may or may not be resurrected back to life. See what I mean?
go missina. i think i agree with you - though i haven't taken enough time to really look into any of this so i can't say for sure. but so far... i most definitely agree with the "make all things new, not all new things" statement. I do believe that THIS place is going to be a big part of what heaven is.
I remember the day (not the actually calendar day, but i remember there being a specific moment in time) when the thought occured to me (through a small group discussion i think) that heaven WILL NOT be all clouds and such... as a kid that seemed cool... when I got older I started thinking.. won't that get kind of boring after a while? but then... then came the realization that NO! It will most definitely NOT be boring - whatever it is like - Part of human nature (for a lot of us anyway) is the desire to EXPLORE and discover and enjoy the beauty of nature... so yea - that ended up with the same sort of thoughts as mentioned previously - earth and heaven - definitely a connection.
Tim, what makes you think those things aren't spiritual. Can the brain not be a vehicle for the soul? The function of the brain is the definitive factor when considering if a person is alive of not, when considering if their soul is still in their bodies. Just because the brain is connected to the functioning of these things, does not mean that is all that they are. If this were true, a scientific exploration of the brain could back us into materialism in no time.
Hmmmm. Good thinking Aron...this is stuff we have been throwing around in my theology of the human person class.
I think there is a problem with placing the distinction between humans and animals soley in the realm of our ability to reason...and to list the ability to reason as what makes us created in the image of God...there are those who can not reason and yet are still human. The unborn, infants, the insane and profoundly mentally ill. All of these are human and yet without the ability to wield reason. If we say that reason is what defines the Imago Dei in us...then these are not different than animals and it would be quite justified for us to kill them if they are inconvenient.
I think I would agree with Shepherd here that what defines us as having a soul, what defines what it is to be made in the image of God is our ability to have relationship with God. We are persons because God has revealed himself to us, and we are able to respond to his word to us....we are responsible. I agree with everythign that you say about animals have emotions and not living soley on instinct...but I think the real difference between us is that God has chosen to relate to humans in a way he has not to animals. And thus I would argue that animals do not have a soul.
I think the early church theologians, while very wise in many areas were a little too blindly beholden to Plato in their concept of what the soul is.
what do you think?
Brian
Your objection is valid. This has, in fact, crossed my mind. I would make two clarifications though, to defend my point. Firstly, the distinction reason gives us lies in the fact that we can reason by nature, and does not hinge on weather we are reasoning at any given point. If it were true that we had to be reasoning to be considered humans, we could be killed in our sleep. I think this speaks to the baby factor. Baby’s, though maybe not practicing abstract thought at any given moment, are of the nature to do it in time. They are still human.
The point of the handicapped makes up my second reply. You see, I would argue that the extremely mentally ill do reason. Maybe they don’t do it enough to write great philosophical works, but they can reason enough to make moral decisions. If it were true that they couldn’t reason enough for this, well, they wouldn’t need a saviour, we would have found the perfect human.
I would also say the a relationship with God hinges on reason. But you’ve arrived and I have to go.
yah i think i might just rest on the idea that the soul is our ability to have some sort of realationship with God.
I see no reason to believe the soul is made up of emotions, the will, and reason. (perhaps in our realationship with God we do these things, but they are not nessessarily part of the soul)... but... i guess that would be saying that we would no longer has emo's will or reason between the time of the passing of our old bodies, and the creation of our new one...(and maybe not even then...?)
sorry aron, i don't really know much about the soul... in fact it's always been something i've been curious about, but never really sad down and looked it up. I'd be curious as to your future thoughts as they develope.
Our ability to have a relationship with God is most certainly a function of the soul, it would be foolhardy to assert otherwise. However, that relationship cannot exist as an ability unto itself. There are prerequisites to it's happening.
Reason, emotion, and the will, at very least, are required for one to have a proper relationship with God. Reason, because there is a certain amount of knowledge about God that is required to know him. Without reason, our relationship with God would be akin to a relationship with someone we don't know. Emotion is needed, because of love. Love, admittedly, is more then simply an emotion, but there is an emotional factor to full love. And the will, lastly, because a relationship of this kind requires a choice. If God were simply to force us into it, it would not be a real relationship.
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